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Posted: 04 Oct 2010 14:22
Who do you like better? Don's blonde co-worker or his secretary, who is now another notch on his belt?
Personally, I like the Dr. cause she seems more real. She already seems like a wife to him. I think new his secretary is just trying to get an "in" into the business and sees Don as just that. |
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Posted: 04 Oct 2010 14:34
Well, I think it's about time a girl actually acts a bit less naive and wants more on the show. I mean let's be honest, Don didn't give Peggy a chance it was rumsen who liked what she did and helped her get a break. Don doesn't give a crap about anyone at that desk advancing; he just wants someone to do their job, which is serve him. I think this character is going to give him a good run and it will be exciting to see what happens.
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Posted: 04 Oct 2010 14:56
I thought the song played during the credits was an excellent choice for this episode...Welcome to My World, by Jime Reeves I believe. Roger, Don, the state of the agency in general. Especially the end where Don has yet again used horrible judgement and possibly forsaken something tangible and real with Faye.
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Posted: 04 Oct 2010 15:08
It will be fun to watch what happens when Fay and Meghan square off.
The very night that Fay compromises her standards for Don, he is on the couch with Meghan. Yummy. |
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Posted: 04 Oct 2010 15:46
@Becky. Agreed.
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Posted: 04 Oct 2010 17:29 Last Edited By: mneeley490
"I won't run crying out the door tomorrow."
It looked to me like Don has finally found the perfect secretary. The mother/girlfriend who expects nothing in return. (For now.) |
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Posted: 04 Oct 2010 19:44
I'm afraid I'll have to disagree with you there mneeley. I think anyone who tells you they want nothing from you or tells you they will be your best friend is the person you better watch out for the most. Meghan practically gave Don her resume in just about one minute while setting on his couch. Artist, actor, Peggy-want-to-be, etc, etc.
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Posted: 05 Oct 2010 04:58
The new secretary is way hotter but he kind of suits a blonde girl.. makes him look more powerful and independant.
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Posted: 05 Oct 2010 13:51
Yep. Meghan definitely wants something in return. Just not the same thing that Allison wanted.
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Posted: 05 Oct 2010 15:46
Meagan is hot. Check her out in "Hot Tub Time Machine".
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Posted: 05 Oct 2010 16:46
The fact that he's even keeping track of his booze quota is serious progress IMHO. And being one over on a crisis day like that is very understandable!
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Posted: 05 Oct 2010 19:48
"Welcome to my world"
this is one of the many great things about this show. It is so realistic. When they started playing "Welcome to my world", it opened a door in my mind that had been closed since 1965. I remember my parents playing that song along with Petulia Clark, Jim Nabors, Andy Williams, Tennessee Ernie,etc. It really makes you feel that you are back in the early 60's again. Especially last season with the Kennedy assasination. |
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Posted: 05 Oct 2010 23:44
Don is no longer one of the Young Turks. We're seeing, or have seen, his transformation--at least professionally. We haven't seen him do his "magic" lately on clients. He's starting to look middle-aged in some ways, isn't he?
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Posted: 07 Oct 2010 19:17
Sorry Max if my memory is a little better than you may expect.
I remember very well the day my grandmother came into our house crying her eyes out and saying they've killed the president. I was five. It stuck in my mind because I never had and never did again see my Grandmother cry. Within a few months, I remember LBJ on TV and my Dad calling him an SOB. Didn't see the Beatles or any of that. My parents thought Ed Sullivan was a nut. I remember the music my mother played loud while she cleaned the house. Petula Clark "I know a Place". and My dad's favorite song, Tennessee Waltz. I can still smell the furniture polish and Ajax. I remember some of the early Apollo missions on TV watching them with my dad and he telling me I should become an astronaut. I remember seeing my first "hippie" in 66 and my dad laughing out loud at them. I remember the day after MLK was shot and being in school. We had one african-american kid in the whole school and I'll never forget the look on his face. Our teacher didn't say much about it because he was not really considered a hero back then. I remember the Manson murders very clearly. And the thing I remember the most was every evening watching Cronkite on the news and him saying how many american soldiers were killed, how many were wounded and how many were missing in vietnam. As I said before, this show can awaken memories that are still there but unaccessed for a long time. |
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Posted: 07 Oct 2010 19:55
Both
(Maybe it's just me but I liked Megan's hairdo and look before -- she looked a little more geeky when she got chummy sitting on the couch with Don the other night -- she looked so sparkling in all the previous episodes with the more formal hairdo attracting males and females (Peggy's buddy) alike) |
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Posted: 07 Oct 2010 20:37 Last Edited By: mneeley490
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As I said before, this show can awaken memories that are still there but unaccessed for a long time. Ain't that the truth? With my mom it was LP's of Bobby Vinton and Englebert Humperdinck. Strangely, she did not like Tom Jones, although I had thought he and Humperdinck were the same person. We had one of those ridiculously heavy TV/Hi-Fi stereo combos in the huge wooden cabinet, like the Drapers in season 3. The thing was almost the size of a coffin. 59Boy, your father and mine sound like they might be brothers from another mother. He was no fan of Johnson, either. Funny, my elementary school principal looked like a Johnson clone. Later in the 60's, everything was "stupid hippies" this, and "damn hippies" that... I had a hell of a time growing my hair longer in the 70's. I don't remember RFK so much as MLK. I was reading newspapers at the time, and MLK was in the news seemingly all the time. I'd come home from school around 3, and my mother would be ironing or folding clothes while watching soap operas, so most of the ads I remember from back then were for cleaning products, too. "Lemon fresh Pledge, from Johnson & Johnson" "Ajax, cleans like a white tornado!" Funny how those tag lines and jingles stick with you. |
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Posted: 08 Oct 2010 01:36
I am a bit older than Sally.
I was there for all of it. The show is accurate with a few exceptions. In my world, a Catholic one, the JFK assassination was far more huge than the show played it. People stopped doing everything. All they did was look at the television for the whole weekend. My girlfriend and I spent the entire SAturday after, perusing newspaper spreads of Jack and Jackie, weeping and listening to Roy Orbison's "Love Hurts." I will never ever associate that song with anything else. |
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Posted: 08 Oct 2010 03:18
Yeah, I'm a little surprised we haven't heard any Orbison on Mad Men. "Working for the Man", maybe?
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Posted: 08 Oct 2010 14:27
That would be a good one, mneeley.
Waiting to see what the music will be, or if it will be, is one of the treats of the show. |
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Posted: 08 Oct 2010 17:51
I never watched that show, Max. But I adored Dr. Kildare and Ben Casey.
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Posted: 09 Oct 2010 00:21
@ 59Boy
"we had only one african american kid in our school" thats sounds fairly realistic of the 60s - so - when Lane introduced his "negro" girlfriend to his father I thought the meeting was very 2010ish as she was very confident, shook his hand, was his equal - I dont think so in 1960 - it was the revolution at that time for the negro people and they were so suppressed. I remember looking at a book of black and white photographs at that time of the "african american people's" struggles - it was very disturbing. |
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Posted: 09 Oct 2010 17:53
I hear what you're saying, reason, and in many parts of the country, you would never have seen such a situation. But this was NYC after all. Don't I remember another plot line a couple of seasons ago where the pipe-smoking guy, can't remember his name, had a black girlfriend?
It bears saying too, I think, that there has always been an American black upper/upper middle class who sent their children to college, vacationed on Martha's Vineyard, held professional positions, etc. It might be a bit incongruous to see a member of this group as a Playboy bunny, but I don't think the character completely strains plausibility. jmo |
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Posted: 09 Oct 2010 23:47
"you go ahead to the restaraunt I will catch up with you" Lane says to his playboy girlfriend - one wonders if she was allowed in. I just cant see her sitting at a table alone waiting for him, in 1960ish!
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Posted: 10 Oct 2010 00:16
Seems inplausible when around the same time a lone negro boy takes his first ride on the school bus with other white kids and causes a riot.
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Posted: 11 Oct 2010 19:13 Last Edited By: mneeley490
Again, you're talking about the difference between NYC and Selma, Alabama.
Kinsey had a black girlfriend solely to show everyone how cool, ultra-liberal, and "sophisticated" he was. He was trying to emulate the Kennedy "best and brightest" crowd, but I don't think he really cared for her as much as his own self image. Same thing with the pipe. It was an affectation to make him seem more intellectual. Bussing schoolchildren to integrate schools came about during this time period; we had maybe a dozen black kids bussed to my elementary school. Some were cool with it, some not. I can see now how frightening it must have been for them. |
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Posted: 11 Oct 2010 22:04
My point was that Kinsey (thanks for the name mn), whatever his own motivation, maintained that relationship without getting a cross burned on his lawn.
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Posted: 11 Oct 2010 22:58
@490
I was referring to the Watts riot in Los Angeles in August 1965. It lasted 6 days and left 34 DEAD, 1000 injured. |
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Posted: 21 Oct 2010 07:47
From what I understand, NY did not impose all of the sadistic Jim Crow nonsense that was imposed in most of the rest of the country, so a scene like that, in NY is not implausible. With that said, blacks did not get jobs like Don Draper's on Madison Ave because racism was still rampant and anti-discrimination laws were not enforced in the private sector.
They did however get jobs like Lane's girlfriend; at clubs and bars and the like. Blacks have always been able to get jobs as entertainers. The two of them could have hooked up. As for the beginning of this post I'm for Dr. Faye. Problem is that I don't think that Don could handle a woman as great as her; Someone who is his equal or better. After all, Faye has a PhD and Don never finished high school. |